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  5  definitions  found 
 
  From  Webster's  Revised  Unabridged  Dictionary  (1913)  [web1913]: 
 
  Saga  \Sa"ga\  (s[=a]"g[.a]),  n.;  pl  {Sagas}  (-g[.a]z).  [Icel., 
  akin  to  E.  saw  a  saying.  See  {Say},  and  cf  {Saw}.] 
  A  Scandinavian  legend,  or  heroic  or  mythic  tradition,  among 
  the  Norsemen  and  kindred  people;  a  northern  European  popular 
  historical  or  religious  tale  of  olden  time. 
 
  And  then  the  blue-eyed  Norseman  told  A  saga  of  the  days 
  of  old  --Longfellow. 
 
  From  Webster's  Revised  Unabridged  Dictionary  (1913)  [web1913]: 
 
  Sagum  \Sa"gum\,  n.;  pl  {Saga}.  [L.  sagum,  sagus;  cf  Gr  ?.  Cf 
  {Say}  a  kind  of  serge.]  (Rom.  Antiq.) 
  The  military  cloak  of  the  Roman  soldiers. 
 
  From  WordNet  r  1.6  [wn]: 
 
  saga 
  n  :  an  narrative  telling  the  adventures  of  a  hero  or  a  family; 
  originally  (12th  to  14th  centuries)  a  story  of  the 
  families  that  settled  Iceland  and  their  descendants  but 
  now  any  prose  narrative  that  resembles  such  an  account 
 
  From  Jargon  File  (4.2.3,  23  NOV  2000)  [jargon]: 
 
  saga  n.  [WPI]  A  cuspy  but  bogus  raving  story  about  N  random 
  broken  people. 
 
  Here  is  a  classic  example  of  the  saga  form  as  told  by  Guy  L. 
  Steele: 
 
  Jon  L.  White  (login  name  JONL)  and  I  (GLS)  were  office  mates  at  MIT 
  for  many  years.  One  April,  we  both  flew  from  Boston  to  California 
  for  a  week  on  research  business,  to  consult  face-to-face  with 
  some  people  at  Stanford,  particularly  our  mutual  friend  Richard  P. 
  Gabriel  (RPG;  see  {gabriel}). 
 
  RPG  picked  us  up  at  the  San  Francisco  airport  and  drove  us  back 
  to  Palo  Alto  (going  {logical}  south  on  route  101,  parallel  to  {El 
  Camino  Bignum}).  Palo  Alto  is  adjacent  to  Stanford  University  and 
  about  40  miles  south  of  San  Francisco.  We  ate  at  The  Good  Earth,  a 
  `health  food'  restaurant,  very  popular,  the  sort  whose  milkshakes  all 
  contain  honey  and  protein  powder.  JONL  ordered  such  a  shake  --  the 
  waitress  claimed  the  flavor  of  the  day  was  "lalaberry".  I  still  have 
  no  idea  what  that  might  be  but  it  became  a  running  joke.  It  was 
  the  color  of  raspberry,  and  JONL  said  it  tasted  rather  bitter.  I  ate 
  a  better  tostada  there  than  I  have  ever  had  in  a  Mexican  restaurant. 
 
  After  this  we  went  to  the  local  Uncle  Gaylord's  Old  Fashioned  Ice 
  Cream  Parlor.  They  make  ice  cream  fresh  daily,  in  a  variety  of 
  intriguing  flavors.  It's  a  chain,  and  they  have  a  slogan:  "If  you 
  don't  live  near  an  Uncle  Gaylord's  --  MOVE!"  Also  Uncle  Gaylord 
  (a  real  person)  wages  a  constant  battle  to  force  big-name  ice 
  cream  makers  to  print  their  ingredients  on  the  package  (like  air 
  and  plastic  and  other  non-natural  garbage).  JONL  and  I  had  first 
  discovered  Uncle  Gaylord's  the  previous  August,  when  we  had  flown  to 
  a  computer-science  conference  in  Berkeley,  California,  the  first  time 
  either  of  us  had  been  on  the  West  Coast.  When  not  in  the  conference 
  sessions,  we  had  spent  our  time  wandering  the  length  of  Telegraph 
  Avenue,  which  (like  Harvard  Square  in  Cambridge)  was  lined  with 
  picturesque  street  vendors  and  interesting  little  shops.  On  that 
  street  we  discovered  Uncle  Gaylord's  Berkeley  store.  The  ice  cream 
  there  was  very  good.  During  that  August  visit  JONL  went  absolutely 
  bananas  (so  to  speak)  over  one  particular  flavor,  ginger  honey. 
 
  Therefore,  after  eating  at  The  Good  Earth  --  indeed,  after  every 
  lunch  and  dinner  and  before  bed  during  our  April  visit  --  a  trip 
  to  Uncle  Gaylord's  (the  one  in  Palo  Alto)  was  mandatory.  We  had 
  arrived  on  a  Wednesday,  and  by  Thursday  evening  we  had  been  there 
  at  least  four  times.  Each  time,  JONL  would  get  ginger  honey  ice 
  cream,  and  proclaim  to  all  bystanders  that  "Ginger  was  the  spice 
  that  drove  the  Europeans  mad!  That's  why  they  sought  a  route  to 
  the  East!  They  used  it  to  preserve  their  otherwise  off-taste  meat." 
  After  the  third  or  fourth  repetition  RPG  and  I  were  getting  a  little 
  tired  of  this  spiel,  and  began  to  paraphrase  him:  "Wow!  Ginger! 
  The  spice  that  makes  rotten  meat  taste  good!"  "Say!  Why  don't 
  we  find  some  dog  that's  been  run  over  and  sat  in  the  sun  for  a 
  week  and  put  some  _ginger_  on  it  for  dinner?!"  "Right!  With  a 
  lalaberry  shake!"  And  so  on  This  failed  to  faze  JONL;  he  took 
  it  in  good  humor,  as  long  as  we  kept  returning  to  Uncle  Gaylord's. 
  He  loves  ginger  honey  ice  cream. 
 
  Now  RPG  and  his  then-wife  KBT  (Kathy  Tracy)  were  putting  us  up 
  (putting  up  with  us?)  in  their  home  for  our  visit,  so  to  thank 
  them  JONL  and  I  took  them  out  to  a  nice  French  restaurant  of 
  their  choosing.  I  unadventurously  chose  the  filet  mignon,  and  KBT 
  had  je  ne  sais  quoi  du  jour,  but  RPG  and  JONL  had  lapin  (rabbit). 
  (Waitress:  "Oui,  we  have  fresh  rabbit,  fresh  today."  RPG:  "Well, 
  JONL,  I  guess  we  won't  need  any  _ginger_!") 
 
  We  finished  the  meal  late,  about  11  P.M.,  which  is  2  A.M  Boston 
  time,  so  JONL  and  I  were  rather  droopy.  But  it  wasn't  yet  midnight. 
  Off  to  Uncle  Gaylord's! 
 
  Now  the  French  restaurant  was  in  Redwood  City,  north  of  Palo  Alto. 
  In  leaving  Redwood  City,  we  somehow  got  onto  route  101  going  north 
  instead  of  south.  JONL  and  I  wouldn't  have  known  the  difference 
  had  RPG  not  mentioned  it  We  still  knew  very  little  of  the  local 
  geography.  I  did  figure  out  however,  that  we  were  headed  in  the 
  direction  of  Berkeley,  and  half-jokingly  suggested  that  we  continue 
  north  and  go  to  Uncle  Gaylord's  in  Berkeley. 
 
  RPG  said  "Fine!"  and  we  drove  on  for  a  while  and  talked.  I  was 
  drowsy,  and  JONL  actually  dropped  off  to  sleep  for  5  minutes. 
  When  he  awoke,  RPG  said  "Gee,  JONL,  you  must  have  slept  all  the  way 
  over  the  bridge!",  referring  to  the  one  spanning  San  Francisco  Bay. 
  Just  then  we  came  to  a  sign  that  said  "University  Avenue".  I  mumbled 
  something  about  working  our  way  over  to  Telegraph  Avenue;  RPG  said 
  "Right!"  and  maneuvered  some  more  Eventually  we  pulled  up  in 
  front  of  an  Uncle  Gaylord's. 
 
  Now  I  hadn't  really  been  paying  attention  because  I  was  so  sleepy, 
  and  I  didn't  really  understand  what  was  happening  until  RPG  let  me 
  in  on  it  a  few  moments  later  but  I  was  just  alert  enough  to  notice 
  that  we  had  somehow  come  to  the  Palo  Alto  Uncle  Gaylord's  after  all 
 
  JONL  noticed  the  resemblance  to  the  Palo  Alto  store,  but  hadn't 
  caught  on  (The  place  is  lit  with  red  and  yellow  lights  at  night, 
  and  looks  much  different  from  the  way  it  does  in  daylight.) 
  He  said  "This  isn't  the  Uncle  Gaylord's  I  went  to  in  Berkeley! 
  It  looked  like  a  barn!  But  this  place  looks  _just  like_  the  one 
  back  in  Palo  Alto!" 
 
  RPG  deadpanned  "Well,  this  is  the  one  _I_  always  come  to  when  I'm 
  in  Berkeley.  They've  got  two  in  San  Francisco,  too  Remember, 
  they're  a  chain." 
 
  JONL  accepted  this  bit  of  wisdom.  And  he  was  not  totally  ignorant 
  --  he  knew  perfectly  well  that  University  Avenue  was  in  Berkeley, 
  not  far  from  Telegraph  Avenue.  What  he  didn't  know  was  that  there 
  is  a  completely  different  University  Avenue  in  Palo  Alto. 
 
  JONL  went  up  to  the  counter  and  asked  for  ginger  honey.  The  guy 
  at  the  counter  asked  whether  JONL  would  like  to  taste  it  first 
  evidently  their  standard  procedure  with  that  flavor,  as  not  too 
  many  people  like  it 
 
  JONL  said  "I'm  sure  I  like  it  Just  give  me  a  cone."  The  guy 
  behind  the  counter  insisted  that  JONL  try  just  a  taste  first 
  "Some  people  think  it  tastes  like  soap."  JONL  insisted,  "Look, 
  I  _love_  ginger.  I  eat  Chinese  food.  I  eat  raw  ginger  roots. 
  I  already  went  through  this  hassle  with  the  guy  back  in  Palo  Alto. 
  I  _know_  I  like  that  flavor!" 
 
  At  the  words  "back  in  Palo  Alto"  the  guy  behind  the  counter  got  a 
  very  strange  look  on  his  face,  but  said  nothing.  KBT  caught  his 
  eye  and  winked.  Through  my  stupor  I  still  hadn't  quite  grasped  what 
  was  going  on  and  thought  RPG  was  rolling  on  the  floor  laughing  and 
  clutching  his  stomach  just  because  JONL  had  launched  into  his  spiel 
  ("makes  rotten  meat  a  dish  for  princes")  for  the  forty-third  time. 
  At  this  point,  RPG  clued  me  in  fully. 
 
  RPG,  KBT,  and  I  retreated  to  a  table,  trying  to  stifle  our  chuckles. 
  JONL  remained  at  the  counter,  talking  about  ice  cream  with  the 
  guy  b.t.c.,  comparing  Uncle  Gaylord's  to  other  ice  cream  shops  and 
  generally  having  a  good  old  time. 
 
  At  length  the  g.b.t.c.  said  "How's  the  ginger  honey?"  JONL  said 
  "Fine!  I  wonder  what  exactly  is  in  it?"  Now  Uncle  Gaylord  publishes 
  all  his  recipes  and  even  teaches  classes  on  how  to  make  his  ice  cream 
  at  home.  So  the  g.b.t.c.  got  out  the  recipe,  and  he  and  JONL  pored 
  over  it  for  a  while  But  the  g.b.t.c.  could  contain  his  curiosity 
  no  longer,  and  asked  again  "You  really  like  that  stuff,  huh?" 
  JONL  said  "Yeah,  I've  been  eating  it  constantly  back  in  Palo  Alto 
  for  the  past  two  days.  In  fact  I  think  this  batch  is  about  as 
  good  as  the  cones  I  got  back  in  Palo  Alto!" 
 
  G.b.t.c.  looked  him  straight  in  the  eye  and  said  "You're  _in_ 
  Palo  Alto!" 
 
  JONL  turned  slowly  around  and  saw  the  three  of  us  collapse  in  a 
  fit  of  giggles.  He  clapped  a  hand  to  his  forehead  and  exclaimed, 
  "I've  been  hacked!" 
 
  [My  spies  on  the  West  Coast  inform  me  that  there  is  a  close 
  relative  of  the  raspberry  found  out  there  called  an  `ollalieberry'  --ESR] 
 
  [Ironic  footnote:  the  {meme}  about  ginger  vs  rotting  meat  is  an 
  urban  legend.  It's  not  borne  out  by  an  examination  of  medieval  recipes  or 
  period  purchase  records  for  spices,  and  appears  full-blown  in  the  works 
  of  Samuel  Pegge,  a  gourmand  and  notorious  flake  case  who  originated 
  numerous  food  myths.  The  truth  seems  to  be  that  ginger  was  used  to 
  cover  not  rot  but  the  extreme  salt  taste  of  meat  packed  in  brine,  which 
  was  the  best  method  available  before  refrigeration.  --ESR] 
 
 
 
  From  The  Free  On-line  Dictionary  of  Computing  (13  Mar  01)  [foldoc]: 
 
  saga 
 
    (WPI)  A  {cuspy}  but  {bogus}  raving  story  about  N 
  {random}  broken  people. 
 
  Here  is  a  classic  example  of  the  saga  form  as  told  by  {Guy 
  Steele}  (GLS): 
 
  Jon  L.  White  (login  name  JONL)  and  I  (GLS)  were  office  mates 
  at  {MIT}  for  many  years.  One  April,  we  both  flew  from  Boston 
  to  California  for  a  week  on  research  business,  to  consult 
  face-to-face  with  some  people  at  {Stanford},  particularly  our 
  mutual  friend  {Richard  Gabriel}  (RPG). 
 
  RPG  picked  us  up  at  the  San  Francisco  airport  and  drove  us 
  back  to  {Palo  Alto}  (going  {logical}  south  on  route  101, 
  parallel  to  {El  Camino  Bignum}).  Palo  Alto  is  adjacent  to 
  Stanford  University  and  about  40  miles  south  of  San  Francisco. 
  We  ate  at  The  Good  Earth,  a  "health  food"  restaurant,  very 
  popular,  the  sort  whose  milkshakes  all  contain  honey  and 
  protein  powder.  JONL  ordered  such  a  shake  -  the  waitress 
  claimed  the  flavour  of  the  day  was  "lalaberry".  I  still  have 
  no  idea  what  that  might  be  but  it  became  a  running  joke.  It 
  was  the  colour  of  raspberry,  and  JONL  said  it  tasted  rather 
  bitter.  I  ate  a  better  tostada  there  than  I  have  ever  had  in 
  a  Mexican  restaurant. 
 
  After  this  we  went  to  the  local  Uncle  Gaylord's  Old  Fashioned 
  Ice  Cream  Parlor.  They  make  ice  cream  fresh  daily,  in  a 
  variety  of  intriguing  flavours.  It's  a  chain,  and  they  have  a 
  slogan:  "If  you  don't  live  near  an  Uncle  Gaylord's  -  MOVE!" 
  Also  Uncle  Gaylord  (a  real  person)  wages  a  constant  battle  to 
  force  big-name  ice  cream  makers  to  print  their  ingredients  on 
  the  package  (like  air  and  plastic  and  other  non-natural 
  garbage).  JONL  and  I  had  first  discovered  Uncle  Gaylord's  the 
  previous  August,  when  we  had  flown  to  a  computer-science 
  conference  in  {Berkeley},  California,  the  first  time  either  of 
  us  had  been  on  the  West  Coast.  When  not  in  the  conference 
  sessions,  we  had  spent  our  time  wandering  the  length  of 
  Telegraph  Avenue,  which  (like  Harvard  Square  in  Cambridge)  was 
  lined  with  picturesque  street  vendors  and  interesting  little 
  shops.  On  that  street  we  discovered  Uncle  Gaylord's  Berkeley 
  store.  The  ice  cream  there  was  very  good.  During  that  August 
  visit  JONL  went  absolutely  bananas  (so  to  speak)  over  one 
  particular  flavour,  ginger  honey. 
 
  Therefore,  after  eating  at  The  Good  Earth  -  indeed,  after 
  every  lunch  and  dinner  and  before  bed  during  our  April  visit 
  ---  a  trip  to  Uncle  Gaylord's  (the  one  in  Palo  Alto)  was 
  mandatory.  We  had  arrived  on  a  Wednesday,  and  by  Thursday 
  evening  we  had  been  there  at  least  four  times.  Each  time, 
  JONL  would  get  ginger  honey  ice  cream,  and  proclaim  to  all 
  bystanders  that  "Ginger  was  the  spice  that  drove  the  Europeans 
  mad!  That's  why  they  sought  a  route  to  the  East!  They  used 
  it  to  preserve  their  otherwise  off-taste  meat."  After  the 
  third  or  fourth  repetition  RPG  and  I  were  getting  a  little 
  tired  of  this  spiel,  and  began  to  paraphrase  him:  "Wow! 
  Ginger!  The  spice  that  makes  rotten  meat  taste  good!"  "Say! 
  Why  don't  we  find  some  dog  that's  been  run  over  and  sat  in  the 
  sun  for  a  week  and  put  some  *ginger*  on  it  for  dinner?!" 
  "Right!  With  a  lalaberry  shake!"  And  so  on  This  failed  to 
  faze  JONL;  he  took  it  in  good  humour,  as  long  as  we  kept 
  returning  to  Uncle  Gaylord's.  He  loves  ginger  honey  ice 
  cream. 
 
  Now  RPG  and  his  then-wife  KBT  (Kathy  Tracy)  were  putting  us  up 
  (putting  up  with  us?)  in  their  home  for  our  visit,  so  to  thank 
  them  JONL  and  I  took  them  out  to  a  nice  French  restaurant  of 
  their  choosing.  I  unadventurously  chose  the  filet  mignon,  and 
  KBT  had  je  ne  sais  quoi  du  jour,  but  RPG  and  JONL  had  lapin 
  (rabbit).  (Waitress:  "Oui,  we  have  fresh  rabbit,  fresh 
  today."  RPG:  "Well,  JONL,  I  guess  we  won't  need  any 
  *ginger*!") 
 
  We  finished  the  meal  late,  about  11  P.M.,  which  is  2  A.M 
  Boston  time,  so  JONL  and  I  were  rather  droopy.  But  it  wasn't 
  yet  midnight.  Off  to  Uncle  Gaylord's! 
 
  Now  the  French  restaurant  was  in  Redwood  City,  north  of  Palo 
  Alto.  In  leaving  Redwood  City,  we  somehow  got  onto  route  101 
  going  north  instead  of  south.  JONL  and  I  wouldn't  have  known 
  the  difference  had  RPG  not  mentioned  it  We  still  knew  very 
  little  of  the  local  geography.  I  did  figure  out  however, 
  that  we  were  headed  in  the  direction  of  Berkeley,  and 
  half-jokingly  suggested  that  we  continue  north  and  go  to  Uncle 
  Gaylord's  in  Berkeley. 
 
  RPG  said  "Fine!"  and  we  drove  on  for  a  while  and  talked.  I 
  was  drowsy,  and  JONL  actually  dropped  off  to  sleep  for  5 
  minutes.  When  he  awoke,  RPG  said  "Gee,  JONL,  you  must  have 
  slept  all  the  way  over  the  bridge!",  referring  to  the  one 
  spanning  San  Francisco  Bay.  Just  then  we  came  to  a  sign  that 
  said  "University  Avenue".  I  mumbled  something  about  working 
  our  way  over  to  Telegraph  Avenue;  RPG  said  "Right!"  and 
  maneuvered  some  more  Eventually  we  pulled  up  in  front  of  an 
  Uncle  Gaylord's. 
 
  Now  I  hadn't  really  been  paying  attention  because  I  was  so 
  sleepy,  and  I  didn't  really  understand  what  was  happening 
  until  RPG  let  me  in  on  it  a  few  moments  later  but  I  was  just 
  alert  enough  to  notice  that  we  had  somehow  come  to  the  Palo 
  Alto  Uncle  Gaylord's  after  all 
 
  JONL  noticed  the  resemblance  to  the  Palo  Alto  store,  but 
  hadn't  caught  on  (The  place  is  lit  with  red  and  yellow 
  lights  at  night,  and  looks  much  different  from  the  way  it  does 
  in  daylight.)  He  said  "This  isn't  the  Uncle  Gaylord's  I  went 
  to  in  Berkeley!  It  looked  like  a  barn!  But  this  place  looks 
  *just  like*  the  one  back  in  Palo  Alto!" 
 
  RPG  deadpanned  "Well,  this  is  the  one  *I*  always  come  to  when 
  I'm  in  Berkeley.  They've  got  two  in  San  Francisco,  too 
  Remember,  they're  a  chain." 
 
  JONL  accepted  this  bit  of  wisdom.  And  he  was  not  totally 
  ignorant  -  he  knew  perfectly  well  that  University  Avenue  was 
  in  Berkeley,  not  far  from  Telegraph  Avenue.  What  he  didn't 
  know  was  that  there  is  a  completely  different  University 
  Avenue  in  Palo  Alto. 
 
  JONL  went  up  to  the  counter  and  asked  for  ginger  honey.  The 
  guy  at  the  counter  asked  whether  JONL  would  like  to  taste  it 
  first  evidently  their  standard  procedure  with  that  flavour, 
  as  not  too  many  people  like  it 
 
  JONL  said  "I'm  sure  I  like  it  Just  give  me  a  cone."  The 
  guy  behind  the  counter  insisted  that  JONL  try  just  a  taste 
  first  "Some  people  think  it  tastes  like  soap."  JONL 
  insisted,  "Look,  I  *love*  ginger.  I  eat  Chinese  food.  I  eat 
  raw  ginger  roots.  I  already  went  through  this  hassle  with  the 
  guy  back  in  Palo  Alto.  I  *know*  I  like  that  flavour!" 
 
  At  the  words  "back  in  Palo  Alto"  the  guy  behind  the  counter 
  got  a  very  strange  look  on  his  face,  but  said  nothing.  KBT 
  caught  his  eye  and  winked.  Through  my  stupor  I  still  hadn't 
  quite  grasped  what  was  going  on  and  thought  RPG  was  rolling 
  on  the  floor  laughing  and  clutching  his  stomach  just  because 
  JONL  had  launched  into  his  spiel  ("makes  rotten  meat  a  dish 
  for  princes")  for  the  forty-third  time.  At  this  point,  RPG 
  clued  me  in  fully. 
 
  RPG,  KBT,  and  I  retreated  to  a  table,  trying  to  stifle  our 
  chuckles.  JONL  remained  at  the  counter,  talking  about  ice 
  cream  with  the  guy  b.t.c.,  comparing  Uncle  Gaylord's  to  other 
  ice  cream  shops  and  generally  having  a  good  old  time. 
 
  At  length  the  g.b.t.c.  said  "How's  the  ginger  honey?"  JONL 
  said  "Fine!  I  wonder  what  exactly  is  in  it?"  Now  Uncle 
  Gaylord  publishes  all  his  recipes  and  even  teaches  classes  on 
  how  to  make  his  ice  cream  at  home.  So  the  g.b.t.c.  got  out 
  the  recipe,  and  he  and  JONL  pored  over  it  for  a  while  But 
  the  g.b.t.c.  could  contain  his  curiosity  no  longer,  and  asked 
  again  "You  really  like  that  stuff,  huh?"  JONL  said  "Yeah, 
  I've  been  eating  it  constantly  back  in  Palo  Alto  for  the  past 
  two  days.  In  fact  I  think  this  batch  is  about  as  good  as  the 
  cones  I  got  back  in  Palo  Alto!" 
 
  G.b.t.c.  looked  him  straight  in  the  eye  and  said  "You're  *in* 
  Palo  Alto!" 
 
  JONL  turned  slowly  around  and  saw  the  three  of  us  collapse  in 
  a  fit  of  giggles.  He  clapped  a  hand  to  his  forehead  and 
  exclaimed,  "I've  been  hacked!" 
 
  [My  spies  on  the  West  Coast  inform  me  that  there  is  a  close 
  relative  of  the  raspberry  found  out  there  called  an 
  ollalieberry"  -  ESR] 
 
  [Ironic  footnote:  it  appears  that  the  {meme}  about  ginger  vs 
  rotting  meat  may  be  an  urban  legend.  It's  not  borne  out  by  an 
  examination  of  mediaeval  recipes  or  period  purchase  records 
  for  spices,  and  appears  full-blown  in  the  works  of  Samuel 
  Pegge,  a  gourmand  and  notorious  flake  case  who  originated 
  numerous  food  myths.  -  ESR] 
 
  [{Jargon  File}] 
 
  (1994-12-08) 
 
 




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